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WHAT WOULD YOU DO??
Its Him, Its Him wrote
at 3:36 AM, Saturday August 8, 2009 EDT

Starting Hand
Dealing pocket cards: [8d, Ad]
elsid folds
Tweety Bird raises $7,500
*GHOST* calls
Dealing flop: [Td, Jd, Kh]
Tweety Bird bets $8,000
*GHOST* raises $124,600


would you cal raise or fold and WHY?

???

ill tell u then anwser later

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"pebble" wrote
at 4:12 AM, Saturday August 8, 2009 EDT
on gpokr i would prob call. you have the flush draw & the straight draw.
Johnjo wrote
at 6:08 AM, Saturday August 8, 2009 EDT
With the flush and the gut shot straight draw you have 12 outs thats a massive 47% percent to hit in the next 2 cards and 25%(3-1) on the river. Ghost has made a huge bet which means he's probably on 2 pair or trips as he frightened of the flush but any call you make, due to the added str8 outs, will automatically give you just under 50/50 i.e Ghost is ahead(then again we don't know how ghost had been playing, some people will push with a flush draw). Either way its a race with you having to get lucky and I'm guessing you'd have to push all in...so i would fold because 5.x out of 10 times you would lose this hand and all your chips. Calling is a waste of time as your odds drop to 3-1 on the last card and ghost will make you push if no further str8 of flush cards come out. Depending on what you have left you may have to call anyway. So if you are going to bet at all take the lead and push in these circumstances..pushing wouldn't be bad play gutsy but not bad. I would fold
"pebble" wrote
at 6:57 AM, Saturday August 8, 2009 EDT
nice 1 john but u are talking about a game of poker!! this isen't poker m8 its gpokr lol.
ThamesBoy wrote
at 7:27 AM, Saturday August 8, 2009 EDT
I'd call and chase the royal flush
Obrestad wrote
at 2:40 PM, Saturday August 8, 2009 EDT
Its Him, you give no info on each stack sizes, players left to act and you don't say whether you have any kind of read on *GHOST*.

Say he has Ax,Qd and flopped the straight; makes you a 38% underdog.

If he has Kx,Kd or TT or JJ and flopped a set then you're a 33% underdog

If he has Qd,9d you're a 35% underdog

If he has Kx,Jx or Kx,Tx you're a 42% dog and Jx,Tx makes you a 44% dog.

AA puts you at 42%
AK puts you at 42%
Aj puts you at 42%
AT puts you at 43%
QT puts you at 43%

It's a no brainer instafold.

There are so many hands that you could be against that make you a huge underdog.

Of course if you both have $4,000,000+ and your opponent has been playing very loose and bluffing a lot then you might be able to talk yourself in to calling or raising in position if *GHOST* is likely to donk off a heap of chips if you make the flush. But no info on stacks and reads, so I'm assuming he shoved and you had no read on him. If he has no more chips and therefore you have no implied odds then its instafold cos you get no more chips when you hit.

When Johnjo says you're just under 50% to improve if you hit you're outs he is not accounting for the possible improvements that the villain can make and the possiblity of the villain holding some of your outs.
Yes, looking at your hand and the flop about 50% looks reasonable a first glance but there are a lot of possible hands that make you a big underdog.

Now please tell us you called and hit : )
DR. wrote
at 11:47 PM, Saturday August 8, 2009 EDT
CALL!!
Its Him, Its Him wrote
at 1:39 AM, Sunday August 9, 2009 EDT
THE RESULTS>>>

Starting Hand
Dealing pocket cards: [8d, Ad]
elsid folds
Tweety Bird raises $7,500
*GHOST* calls
Dealing flop: [Td, Jd, Kh]
Tweety Bird bets $8,000
*GHOST* raises $124,600
Tweety Bird calls
Dealing turn: [8c]
Dealing river: [7s]
Tweety Bird shows [8d, Ad] for a pair of eights
*GHOST* shows [Th, Ks] for two pair, Kings and tens
*GHOST* wins main pot $261,680
*GHOST* wins side pot $1,760
Tweety Bird stands up
Errk wrote
at 9:20 AM, Sunday August 9, 2009 EDT
On gpokr..CALL!!!CALL!!!CALL!!!!
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